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		<title>By: reduced and recycled &#187; malaysiakini&#8217;s interview with Uthayakumar</title>
		<link>http://xpyred.textfiend.net/2007/12/02/our-social-responsibilities/#comment-56552</link>
		<dc:creator>reduced and recycled &#187; malaysiakini&#8217;s interview with Uthayakumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] here there is a second part to the interview that is a must watch. It is, seriously, time to start thinking about what we&#8217;ve not done for Indians [...]</description>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://xpyred.textfiend.net/2007/12/02/our-social-responsibilities/#comment-56270</link>
		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@freethinker: like I speculated in a previous comment, the suit against the Queen is insubstantial - and most probably going nowhere.  I think by now it is clear that what Hindraf sought was attention to itself - and to the members who have had it pretty bad.

Unfortunately, its extreme grandstanding is getting quite a number of people down.  Will Hindraf be a victim of its own sensationalism?  Maybe: but beyond all the spin splashed across our dailies, I think most Malaysians can see past the hogwash and catch a glimpse of the truth: that the Indians in this country have become the new underclass.

It that was Hindraf's only intention, it has succeeded - and in spades.

@shadowfox: well, that's an interesting perspective, and it kinda mirrors the whole storm in a teacup when Marina Mahathir used the word "apartheid" in the context of the Bumi/non-Bumi divide.  Like with Marina's use of the word "apartheid", I think there are some grounds to interpret "ethnic cleansing" in the manner you've put it.

I think some people will have trouble with the word, since it conjures up images of Bosnia, Nazi-era Germany and the troubles in some African nations.  But you're right: no blood spilled and no lives lost doesn't mean there is no marginalization - of Indians being pushed to the periphery.

@Josh: thanks :)I think there will be future rallies - and some in the run up to the elections once it's been announced, no doubt.  The Bar Council is having another "walk" - less a rally and more a gathering, I hope.

You know, I think if Hindraf is able to see that there is a huge groundswell of support for less marginalization, more freedom of expression and a more accountable government, Hindraf just might decide that it is better to ally themselves with civil action groups rather than fighting it out alone.

This is what I hope will happen: coalitions similar to Bersih will get together with Hindraf and present a united front.  I think a golden opportunity is there to include Hindraf (and hence, divert its focus away from its more extreme forms of expressions).

The only problem will be Hindraf's leaders themselves - and the government's continued demonisation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@freethinker: like I speculated in a previous comment, the suit against the Queen is insubstantial - and most probably going nowhere.  I think by now it is clear that what Hindraf sought was attention to itself - and to the members who have had it pretty bad.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, its extreme grandstanding is getting quite a number of people down.  Will Hindraf be a victim of its own sensationalism?  Maybe: but beyond all the spin splashed across our dailies, I think most Malaysians can see past the hogwash and catch a glimpse of the truth: that the Indians in this country have become the new underclass.</p>
<p>It that was Hindraf&#8217;s only intention, it has succeeded - and in spades.</p>
<p>@shadowfox: well, that&#8217;s an interesting perspective, and it kinda mirrors the whole storm in a teacup when Marina Mahathir used the word &#8220;apartheid&#8221; in the context of the Bumi/non-Bumi divide.  Like with Marina&#8217;s use of the word &#8220;apartheid&#8221;, I think there are some grounds to interpret &#8220;ethnic cleansing&#8221; in the manner you&#8217;ve put it.</p>
<p>I think some people will have trouble with the word, since it conjures up images of Bosnia, Nazi-era Germany and the troubles in some African nations.  But you&#8217;re right: no blood spilled and no lives lost doesn&#8217;t mean there is no marginalization - of Indians being pushed to the periphery.</p>
<p>@Josh: thanks :)I think there will be future rallies - and some in the run up to the elections once it&#8217;s been announced, no doubt.  The Bar Council is having another &#8220;walk&#8221; - less a rally and more a gathering, I hope.</p>
<p>You know, I think if Hindraf is able to see that there is a huge groundswell of support for less marginalization, more freedom of expression and a more accountable government, Hindraf just might decide that it is better to ally themselves with civil action groups rather than fighting it out alone.</p>
<p>This is what I hope will happen: coalitions similar to Bersih will get together with Hindraf and present a united front.  I think a golden opportunity is there to include Hindraf (and hence, divert its focus away from its more extreme forms of expressions).</p>
<p>The only problem will be Hindraf&#8217;s leaders themselves - and the government&#8217;s continued demonisation.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent commentary (once again) on the current dilemma in our civil society. I do agree with you that something could have been done for the Indians in a more inclusive manner but for our unchanged communal perspective. 

What else is there to be done but to weather the storm created by the demonisation of Hindraf in the MSM. 

Lets hope our fellow citizens are not too short sighted or fallen to the disease of having short memory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent commentary (once again) on the current dilemma in our civil society. I do agree with you that something could have been done for the Indians in a more inclusive manner but for our unchanged communal perspective. </p>
<p>What else is there to be done but to weather the storm created by the demonisation of Hindraf in the MSM. </p>
<p>Lets hope our fellow citizens are not too short sighted or fallen to the disease of having short memory.</p>
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		<title>By: ShadowFox</title>
		<link>http://xpyred.textfiend.net/2007/12/02/our-social-responsibilities/#comment-56227</link>
		<dc:creator>ShadowFox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ethnic cleansing is the right word. Ethnic cleansing need not necessarily imply genocide, but if there's any deliberate attempts to displace a particular ethnic society in the country, such as demolition of temples, intimidation through violence (kampung medan?) and denial of basic human rights of a citizen, then it is technically used correctly.

Short of the actual genocide, this doesn't mean there's no ethnic cleansing taking place. 

About the media thing, I feel the more they try to publish goody goody news, the more angry I get when I read them because of their continuous state of denial and bare face lies.

I only hope and wish the rest of the population feel that way as well enough to make a change at the polls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ethnic cleansing is the right word. Ethnic cleansing need not necessarily imply genocide, but if there&#8217;s any deliberate attempts to displace a particular ethnic society in the country, such as demolition of temples, intimidation through violence (kampung medan?) and denial of basic human rights of a citizen, then it is technically used correctly.</p>
<p>Short of the actual genocide, this doesn&#8217;t mean there&#8217;s no ethnic cleansing taking place. </p>
<p>About the media thing, I feel the more they try to publish goody goody news, the more angry I get when I read them because of their continuous state of denial and bare face lies.</p>
<p>I only hope and wish the rest of the population feel that way as well enough to make a change at the polls.</p>
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		<title>By: Our social responsibilities : Bolehland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Our social responsibilities : Bolehland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Freethinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freethinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Hindraf is merely playing the end justifies the mean, yes, it got all the attention but "ethnic cleansing ???" 

It really is backfiring and I don't think a rational or sound mind would go that far to achieve attention...

As for gathering the support of India, I believe the petition can't hold water and basis for further discussion if PM try to counter the fantasy facts blown out of proportion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Hindraf is merely playing the end justifies the mean, yes, it got all the attention but &#8220;ethnic cleansing ???&#8221; </p>
<p>It really is backfiring and I don&#8217;t think a rational or sound mind would go that far to achieve attention&#8230;</p>
<p>As for gathering the support of India, I believe the petition can&#8217;t hold water and basis for further discussion if PM try to counter the fantasy facts blown out of proportion.</p>
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